美國驚現(xiàn)上海版建國35周年精制幣？？？
不知這是否令人驚訝。美國特拉華的一個很小的錢幣商，在今年5月份的時候售出了一套35周年精制幣。這個幣商顯然沒有多少現(xiàn)代中國錢幣知識，出售的價格是100美元。這還不是最令人驚訝的，最令人驚訝的是，這應(yīng)該是一套上海版的建國35周年精制幣。獲得這套錢幣的主人，是美國一個狂熱的錢幣收藏者。偶然間獲得了這套錢幣后，他向非常精通中國現(xiàn)代錢幣的收藏者poconopenn請教。
poconopenn是一個居住在美國的錢幣收藏者，他對中國錢幣具有很深的研究。poconopenn在鑒定中國錢幣方面之權(quán)威，就如同Perter Anthony（著有Gold and Silver Panda Coin Buyer's Guide一書，并且是Panda Pricepedia每月價格表發(fā)布者，美國幣商收藏者了解中國錢幣價格的指導(dǎo)書）在熊貓幣領(lǐng)域具有權(quán)威一樣，這是美國眾多中國錢幣收藏者對他的評價。poconopenn顯然對上海版建國35周年有所了解，但他仍然非常驚訝這套錢幣會在美國出現(xiàn)。

這里附上poconopenn對于這套錢幣的一些看法和疑問，歡迎國內(nèi)的收藏者討論及解答。
原文名稱：
Sighting of 1984 Shanghai Proof 35th Anniversay of Founding of PRC Set in US
地址：
http://china-mint.info/forum/index.php?topic=6501.msg39626;topicseen#msg39626


我個人的疑問，美國出現(xiàn)的這套是否與上海07年出現(xiàn)的一批為同一批貨源，美國幣商如何得到，目前美國這套幣的擁有者尚不愿公開身份。

美國出現(xiàn)的一套上海版35周年精制圖片。

poconopenn的原文：

Topic: Sighting of 1984 Shanghai Proof 35th Anniversay of Founding of PRC Set in US?
on: October 07, 2012, 10:22:16 AM ?
    

Here is some background information about 1984 35th founding of PRC commemorative 3-coin set. The set was minted by Shanghai and Shenyang Mint in UNC and proof versions and they were first circulated commemorative coin ever produced by China Mint.

The Shanghai mint proof set was only discovered in April, 2007. It was surprised to all proof circulated coin collectors inside China. The information in Chinese websites suggested that this set was never issued and destroyed because of the error in the coin. Based on the information, the mintage of this set is about 50. They were shown to collectors in sheet for individual coin, no COA or fancy box for this proof set. Up to now, Shanghai Mint refuses to say anything about this set. The official answer is “this set was never issued”.

The major difference between Shenyang and Shanghai Mint set is the missing columns of the center hall in the reverse. However, the website information also suggests that one of the coin (dancers) in some of those sets has columns. There are other differences in individual coin. The details are provided in a table in page 3 of the following link and copy with English translation is given in the attached table, picture 1. In general, coin of Shanghai Mint has many missing designs vs. Shenyang Mint. The differences of four long decorative lines on reverse are obvious. All lines in Shenyang set are ended at rim, while coins of Shanghai Mint do not. The size of 5 stars is slightly difference, but it is not easy to see, unless the coins are placed side by side.

http://bbs4.xx007.cn/dispbbs.asp?boardid=10&replyid=3996317&id=2466816&page=163&skin=0&Star=1

The Shenyang Mint proof sets usually were packed either in fancy boxes or hard plastic holder with imprinted name of Peoples’ Bank of China as shown in the attached pictures. (2 & 3)

NGC has designated the name of these three coins as following; Speech (大典), Cranes (華表), Dancers (歡慶). The following NGC graded PF69 set is believed to be Shanghai Mint proof set, which was sold for $14,000 (RMB88,888) in November, 2011.

http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3299322-001

The current value of Shanghai proof set is about $10,000, while Shenyang proof set is about $350.

The Shanghai Mint proof set discussed herein was discovered by an avid collector of MCC and member of this forum in Delaware. The set was packed in three connected double sealed pouches as shown in picture 4 and 5.

The high resolution pictures of reverse of Shenyang Mint proof coin, taken from two directions (90 degree difference), are provided in the next post as picture 1 & 2 to show the depth and thickness of the lines. In order to examine the differences between Shanghai and Shenyang Mint proof sets, the pictures of reverse of Shanghai Mint, UNC, taking in identical directions to the Shenyang Mint proof coin are also posted as picture 3 & 4. They demonstrate some similarity of UNC and proof coins made at Shanghai Mint; both have thinner and shallower lines than Shenyang Mint coin. The pictures attached in the next two posts (3 & 4) also suggest that a very small residue of columns of center hall of “speech” and “cranes” can be seen with a high power magnifier, in contrast to the observation made by the author of the Chinese web link mentioned above.

In Post 3, 4 and 5, the detail pictures of each coin will be posted to confirm the differences outlined in the table in picture 1 of Post 1. The very small residue columns and flags can still visible in “speech” and “cranes” coins with a high power magnifier. This suggests that Shanghai Mint proof set may use the same die in producing the UNC set. In order to produce a mirror surface, the die used in minting UNC coin has to be polished. During earlier year (pre-1995), the China Mint might use sand blasting to the die. Therefore, the narrow and shallow lines might be removed completely or partially during the treatment. “Dancers” coin appears to have less effect during the polishing treatment and has more design details than other two coins, in consistency to the observations made by the experts inside China.

Many thanks to the owner of this set for the opportunity to examine this very rare proof set and allow me to post the pictures in this forum.

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原來只需要1000美元.....
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看錯,只要100美元.....

  

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我是06年認識李長濱的，當(dāng)時他在天津大學(xué)讀博士，癡迷早期精制幣收藏。他是第13位在我們網(wǎng)站注冊的，最早參與網(wǎng)站建設(shè)者之一，對網(wǎng)站新拍賣程序功能提出了很多寶貴意見。現(xiàn)在常與國外藏家交流，對熊貓金銀幣的版別有深入的研究。